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Andreas Stullkowski's avatar

I am into streght training for decades, and I have seen: steroids will age you much more quickly.

This is the main reason I stayed away from them.

If the photo is our body: you have no business to take steroids anyway. On this frame you can gain at least 20 kg naturally. It will take a decade though. But you will learn proper strenght training along the way.

I noticed with young people today that they have much more knowledge of steroids than when I started out, and much less knowledge of how to train their own body.

Sebastian Jensen's avatar

>On this frame you can gain at least 20 kg naturally

It’s a small frame; the shoulders are the anomaly.

Andreas Stullkowski's avatar

I have the about the same body type, and over the years have added about 20 kg. Muscles are dense and are acutally not that big, and also if you do weightlifting, the bones get heavier also. And lots of the musclesmass is not in the upper body anyway.

Peter Rabbit's avatar

What about HRT, but for non muscle related effects. Like drive, motivation, concentration, etc.

Sebastian Jensen's avatar

I've heard anecdotes of people saying they became more driven and focused on TRT but I could believe it is placebo, imo if you want those things you should just get amph

Cyrus Valkonen's avatar

Try Kisspeptin instead. But anything you take regularly will shrink your testicles. HRT is so to speak a "palliative" measure, that's what people just don't understand.

Peter Rabbit's avatar

Its peptide right? Tell me more.

Enon's avatar

Kisspeptin appears to be a cheap and safe way to modestly increase natural production of GnRH, FSH, LH and T (the natural cascade), without any notable bad side effects. Dosing of the 10-amino length version is 100-150mcg subcutaneously, 2-7 times per week in evenings, 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off. It has libido-increasing acute effects within 1-2 hours, mass gain for weightlifting is unproven but likely helps somewhat, but more for men over 50. It could be good in combination with T or off-cycle, but mych riskier to testicular function. There is little benefit to T or other steroids for young men in the first 3-6 months of weightlifting. Wait until gains plateau before considering gear.

Cyrus Valkonen's avatar

Taking 25-50mcg nasally with 10% DMSO is probably the most sane "don't notice much" dose you can possibly take every day, indefinitely, perhaps with little to no tolerance.

With 100mcg injected, you already feel the blood clumping faster from sitting around too long and such shit, almost like from roids, which means you are provoking tolerance a lot.

barnabus's avatar

One of the problems of using steroids is that they suppress FSH/LH upstream regulation so male gonads may shrink (as also fertility). Clomiphene or aromatase inhibitors will avoid the problem. They are also significantly cheaper than injectable roids and don't need to be injected.

Cyrus Valkonen's avatar

Roids are for posers, diseased or old men. If real men take roids, it is a net negative game. The extra muscle mass you grow from them is like tumors to your body's internal programming. It doesn't give you any real strength, and it melts away despite all efforts. Kisspeptin if anything is a better idea, but still not benign.

Cyrus Valkonen's avatar

The evidence actually is the reverse with Kisspeptin-10, which is the only one you can commonly buy cheap online: Downregulation has not been observed in (short) studies, but the speculation is obviously, that it is still possible.

Also it doesn't seem that you understand how this stuff works. Presumably the Kisspeptin cascade is your body's internal clocking mechanism to regulate a surplus from health/youth and lack of stress into sexual function. Because there is price attached to testosterone on you body, higher energy demands, cardiovascular, etc. especially as you get older. Probably for all we know, as long as you are not using massive doses of this stuff, but only so much that it works sometimes, then you are unlikely to get much downregulation at all. This is how it could be a rather sustainable alternative to roids. Even if it is not powerful enough to blow your muscles up like baloons within a few weeks, if used in any sort of sane responsible way.

But yeah, if you inject a gallon of this stuff into a mouse every day, you will probably implode their testicles as well.